I dont remember the wt saying that these ones are in heaven. I got the idea they will be part of the great ressurrection on earth after armaggedon...they cant be the 144,000 as there are far too many of them. I never understood this reasoning. Did the bibles message of heavenly life apply only to those alive in the apostles lifetime? When the apostacy came after the death of John did no one qualify for heavenly life, or just a few? What about all the christians thrown to the lions etc. during the roman persecution before Constantine "converted"? There were hundreds of thousands by that time who were christians. We were just told that God had been choosing a few from among all generations. Then why bother with the bible? If it was so few why not just find another way of picking them...why have the message written down as if everyone who read it had the chance of life in heaven?
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I have always wondered about this....
by Iwonder17 inwhat happeded to all of the people between the time that jesus was on the earth until russell?.
if the gb is god's only means of communication, then how did those people receive instruction during their time period?
are they now all lost forever?.
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September 2008 WT request
by CharlieBrownsLovelyDaughter indoes anyone have a scan of the public wt that can be shared?
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chicken little
The September 08 public watchtower has a question from readers that tries to explain why we do not know the way in which Gods name was pronounced. I think it is odd that they say that Jesus would have used Gods name, obviously correctly, to his disciples. Then how come those disciples didnt write it down correctly in the language that they used at the time? Greek. How come the scriptures were written in greek and yet there is no attempt as with Jehovah to make a name that sounds like JHWH? Odd.
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JWs and the Mentally Challenged
by almostbitten ini know three women from the local kh (one is a distant relative of mine) who call on my uncle for bible study.
problem is, he has alzheimer's disease--and they were told about this!!!
still, they've been doing studies with him until my aunt (his wife) told them to stop coming by.
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chicken little
Right... now you are on a topic that makes my blood boil! I have always had a problem with jw attitude towards the mentally challanged and the mentally sick. I used to constantly point out that God will not kill such ones at Armaggedon because to do so would be murdering an innocent. I always got sheepish looks and was told God sees the hearts. So I would state in my anwsers at the book study that after the big A we would be looking after millions of such ones until God restored them to health (hopefully quickly), nobody dared to contradict but at the same time couldnt quite join in as it is not wt doctrine.
So even though there are individual jws who are kind and caring to such ones..the organization ignores them and does not state clearly that these ones will survive armaggedon and get a chance to live a normal life. I get mad! There are millions and millions in this catagory.
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Limiting comments by kids during WT Study
by navytownroger ini was told recently by a ministerial servant that the word had come down from above that from now on only two comments by children will be allowed during the wt study.
the reason: the meetings are geared to adults, not children.
has anyone else heard of this policy??
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chicken little
Personally I think that hearing the kids is the only highlight of a meeting....most are canned anwsers but still they can be funny. We always studied the watchtower with our kids freestyle...then we let them loose with their own anwsers....on one discussion of headship principle the question was asked..so who does not have a head? My son shot up his hand and said John the baptiser....we all cracked up.
Still I am glad we stopped before the awful ORAL study took place...I would have not wanted my children to hear that information or to even attempt to anwser any questions. I can honestly say our kids were open and had the chance to say no if they didnt want to take part...just glad we woke up and dont have to put then through learning rubbish by rote.
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My Pioneer Wedding =Didn't get much money/gifts from invited Brothers!
by Witness 007 indidn't have much money...everyone wanted to come, so i reluctantly invited many.
we had lots of good food and nice bottles of wine, white and red.
so it cost a bit to set up....my soon to be wife said: "don't worry, your a pioneer, i'm sure the brothers will be generous with their gifts!
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My daughter aged 13 at the time was asked to be bridesmaid. We had to pay for her dress and accessories ourselves, we had to pay for her flowers and then when it was the reception, she was only invited to the dancing after the dinner...around 10 pm at night. Her dad had been roped into serving at the dinner, everyone was asking where our daughter was...sitting at home waiting for a phone call to say that I could drive her out for the dance. She waited in her dress until 11pm and I finally said I thought it wasnt going to happen and maybe she should change. I was so mad and at the same time sad for my daughter....never again. They used her for the pictures and that was it. Khall weddings...dont talk about them please!
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Watchtower Blood Component/Fraction Deception
by jwfacts inthe watchtower attempts to create a semblance of logic to its allowance of blood fractions by presenting the concept that blood consists of four primary "components".
use of these components are unchristian.
these components can be broken into "fractions", which are acceptable to use.
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chicken little
I agree with jedi master, I could not allow someone elses conscience to tell me what they think God accepts or does not accept. My conscience stands before God not a few old men who have inherited a belief system from a rambling drunk (rutherford). I now know that a symbol for the sanctity of life can never become more important than life itself. So my viewpoint on blood, fractions etc has reversed completely.
Do the jws who take fractions know it is donated blood that has been stored, then broken down? I am sure many think it is somehow manmade stuff that they get.
After visiting my friend in hospital today who also is an exjw I was relieved to see that she has the same viewpoint...she is recovering from a very long operation....no pressure was put on her to have blood...she can decide for herself. She said how relieved she was not to be a jw anymore and have to face the pressure from a hospital liason rep.
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food shortages
by chicken little inany of you been told by the jws that the current food crisis is fulfillment of the revelation prophecy of the horsemen?
they are really talking about it now and how a days wage is worth nothing.
you heard similar things?.
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Its true I was around then and in the org, I was a teenager and scared stiff of the riders on the horses and all that it meant. I just replied to my friend that food shortages have always been a problem for those without food....its just now affecting those who always have had an abundance of cheap food. World War II was followed by shortages much worse that today...she agreed, but felt our time now was fulfillment of revelation
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food shortages
by chicken little inany of you been told by the jws that the current food crisis is fulfillment of the revelation prophecy of the horsemen?
they are really talking about it now and how a days wage is worth nothing.
you heard similar things?.
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Any of you been told by the jws that the current food crisis is fulfillment of the revelation prophecy of the horsemen? They are really talking about it now and how a days wage is worth nothing. You heard similar things?
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News Flash !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by TooBad TooSad inmy wife excitedly told me that she talked to the wife of an elder that just came back from.
the special training for elders in upper state new york and that the elders are being told .
to go back to their congregations and to get them ready for the great tribulation.. i said to her that is great news !!!!
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hej crazyblondeb....I had better get some knickers on...I dont wear them in summer and there you are putting pictures of me bending over....naughty girl.....I will pack my atomic emergency pack straight away....1) bottle of the best scotch I can buy 2) good bar of chocolate 3) good book....not that one!
Love chicken little
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How do we know that humans have been around for more than 6000 years?
by inkling inafter a conversation with my dad last night, i realized that it is fairly.
easy for jws to weasel out of issues involving the fossil record because.
a) the wt has very little to say on the subject and b) witnesses are.
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chicken little
I recently read the book mentioned by sir82 it was Guns germs and steel and was by Jared Diamond and it was an eyeopener. I often wondered about the hunter gatherer lifestyle of the aborigines in Australia....other areas had developed far more complicated farming technics, yet the aborigines continued with the same lifestyle until the continent was "discovered by europeans". They appear to have lived in isolation for 40,000 years.
The flood account puts mankind and its record of activity to about 4,000 years....so how did they get to Australia? They did not use boats....if they did they forgot how to build them again...odd. The story of the tower of babel is told to explain the language spread and movement of mankind...again they were building a tower! What happened when they moved away...they forgot everything they had learned and went back to gathering herbs and hunting? Odd.
The book offers a very good explaination for why some peoples flourished and became technical and others made do with what they had at hand as they had no other choices. It was not a matter of intelligence as some try to bring into the discussion...read the book.